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Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 21:51:00 - [1] Edited by: Nez Perces on 16/12/2006 21:51:39 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Cryus Aphax This is pathetic and sadly shows how downhill the eve community is going. Heres the real truth.... .... yes its true, Gungankllr said so.... Originally by: Gungankllr, CYVOK resignation post Add to this the downward spiral of Eve over the last year, and I can understand why he stepped down. I think we had all better stop playing EVE right now.. the downward spiral is complete.. abandon ship.. go find another game to spend your time on WhaaaaaASCN..... strikes again. Somebody said earlier on this thread.. its not so much that people like BoB, its a case of ASCN coming up with brand new ways of getting the mickey taken out of them every day. You guys are something else.. pls keep it coming its very entertaining. P.S - If your TS is not secure... guess who is to blame?.... I'll give you a clue, its not BoB and its not CCP.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Malachon Draco I see noone denying what happened here, only whether it constitutes enough proof that it was indeed BoB doing this, which you vehemently deny. Let's just leave it up to the Eve-Community to decide whether what I provided was enough proof about your cheating and lying about it here or not, ok? Malachon.. lets assume for a moment that yes it was BoB gatecrashing your TS and using lame (but nevertheless funny nicknames) to wind you up. What does that tell us.. the reader? [..and don't now say its none of your business go away fanboy.. bla bla bla, cause whats going on here is that ASCN wants the general public to agree that BoB are lamers.. just to get that out of the way] Assuming it was BoB... 1. It would tell us that BoB are childish and are prepared to go the extra mile to limit your fighting ability. 2. It tells us that your TS protocol is abysmal, I mean criminally so. 3. It tells us that ASCN is desperate to have a good excuse to explain away any battlefield losses. All things considered, deductions 2 and 3 do not in any way make up for knowing deduction 1. It still makes ASCN look bad. So what if BoB are gatecrashing your TS... far worse is the fact that your TS security sucks donkey balls, and that you are desperate to have an excuse to explain your military failings. This thread is just another classic example of why ASCN is losing this war, what exactly is the purpose of it? to persuade us that BoB are ebil... everybody already knows this... you are still getting your behinds handed to you. This thread and any knowledge you are trying to impart to us.. doesnt solve your problems, some very big ones.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Malachon Draco However, what is perhaps more interesting here at this point in time, is BoB vehemently denying something that was rather obviously perpetrated by them. Remember that I said assuming, I even underlined it for clarity... you don't actually have any solid proof, only some circumstantial evidence... that could mean a whole lot of things..... Do BoB use TS spies? .. yes they say so themselves. Do BoB gatecrash TS and sing/shout/take the mickey ? .. perhaps, they say they don't, you say they do... who knows? Has ASCN got some huge internal defficiencies when it comes to security (TS, sovereignty POS', spies) etc.. etc... most definitely. The problem is that the way your alliance works, you have absolutely no control whatsoever over your average pilots, because for years now, your recruitment policies have been negligent. Quality over quantity. Now you are paying the price. There is no downward spiral in EVE, there is no erosion of the moral values in the game. There is only one thing going on here... ASCN's alliance model is revealing all its flaws... and the quantity and size of them are astounding, nobody could have guessed just how flawed it was.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 23:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Baun There is joint causation here. ASCN might have awful security practices, but that has nothing to do with whether people should be doing these things. ASCN should act to protect themselves, but they have a right to decry the lack of maturity of those taking advantage. Out of game resources should be out of bounds for this kind of crap. You aren't technically allowed to do this sort of thing in game and we are supposed to rebuff an appeal to reason to get people to stop doing them out of game? Baun... TS spying and forum spying and spies that will offline POS are the uglier side of PVP in EVE, but you know as well as I do that it happens. It happens everytime there is warfare, because when alliances really want to bury another alliance, they pull out all the stops. Now this business of gatecrashing ASCN TS.. yeah its a little lame.. but it could be anybody.. it could be disguntled ASCN pilots, it could be random people given access to the Server by the same guy that offlined the ASCN POS... it could be anybody. It might be BoB, but then again it might be Joe Bloggs who purchased a password in Jita. ASCN's TS security is so lax, that it could be Farther Christmas.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 23:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Marogian Anyone with any intelligence knew full well the flaws in the ASCN model the moment it was conceived. Most of us accept that the flaws with the model are a price you absolutely have to pay for creating an alliance which lets pretty much anyone join. We have ALOT of players who only play for one hour a day, sometimes less. We have alot of people who only play at the weekend. Rubbish... ASCN was supposed to be what Xetic was not, lean and mean. And for a period of time it was... I watched ASCN grow with great interest. For a time it seemed as if you would become one of the big powers in EVE and you did become just that but it was a fake... somewhere along the way it went Pete Tong. The mirage of unlimited wealth, outposts, territory and presence on the big stage must have blinded you to the basics of alliance management. I really would like to know at what stage ASCN forgot it was living in 0.0 and traded in the reasons behind its conception in exchangr for the outpost dream and having the biggest pilot roster in the game. Where are your FC's, where is the dedication to stand up to BoB and make them back down? Why has ASCN become WhaaaaaaASCN?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 23:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Marogian You're starting to show your lack of direct experience in the conflict now. ASCN is fighting BoB, we've been fighting BoB for three months. ASCN, at the start of the war at least, was stronger than it has been at any point in its history. You had the illusion of being the strongest you had been in any point in history (and proably that was your biggest mistake).... now you are experiencing the reality. It is genuinely surprising that BoB have made so much headway so fast... particularly with the way sovereignty works. It takes a couple of months to get POS in place probably for the amount of territory that is being fought over. Its 3 months down the line and BoB are already in AZN... what happens next month? And there isnt even a bandwagon going on here, its just a straight up fight between ASCN and BoB. Its a minor miracle that BoB manage to spread themselves clear across the southern half of EVE with the numbers they have available at any one time. ASCN should have been a brick wall that BoB kept banging their head against.. not the walkover, the EVE population has been a spectator to.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 23:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Baun I don't care who is doing it. I care alot more that people have the audacity to make fun of someone for simply requesting that the activity stop. People have gone well beyond merely demurring to the accusation that it was BoB and act like this is some sort of justified activity. This activity is NEVER justified. Ridiculing someone for asking people to stop doing something immature and disruptive is NOT ok. This community needs to remember that this is a game. .. right... but you are forgetting one thing.. this thread was directed explicitly at BoB and accused them without reservation of gatecrashing the TS. In hindsight, I'm sure it has become quite clear that it could be anybody. So .. what are we left with? ASCN crying again, about something and accusing others of doing what they should not be able to anyways, if they had some decent security protocol. Yeah im gonna laugh.. its funny, that a 0.0 alliance doesn't have a secure TS server. Look...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Kin Hanyerec There is no point in discussing this further unless you can find the identity of those "hackers". Which is unlikely. Said "hackers".. have been revealed in a seperate thread.. actually they revealed themselves for comedic value. They got a couple of promo videos too watch too..... very ...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:12:00 - [9] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 00:13:17 Originally by: Kin Hanyerec look at post 6 of this thread. Originally by: Galavet Its not us, and if you are banning a person doing it multiple times that means you have a server admin giving him his rights back. Look in your own house before you blame somebody else, but wait this is the Blame others first for our failures alliance, otherwise known as ASCN. Yes I read that.. the people who gatecrashed the TS server have revealed themselves on a separate thread.. it was the infamous Team LULZ. Team LULZ owns up to ASCN TS shenanigans.......
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Aberash The reason i personally "accused" BoB is the fact that it was not just 1 pilot but quite a few, 2or3 afaik, and for these to be all ascn pilots is very unlikely. i was leading an ASCN gang at the time of this "incident". I kept hearing music and other bull** like "Theres a party in my pants!" being shouted down TS that nowone else in my Channel could hear, i finally realised these were whispers and scanned TS and found 3or4 members in a seperate channel with tags like [TAOSP]%#4234, and [CLS] vipeer. after kicking Many people i then blocked whispers. They then start doing it to other ascn members, getting extremely frustrated i vent this anger in local at the BoB [TAOSP] members. then on TS names like "Aberash likes coc.k" appear. Gold mamba then vents his frustration in local and then names like [IXC] GOLD MAMBA IS AN IDIOT, appear on TS. This was no coincidence and the BoB that say it is ASCN traitors doing it, you failed to mention the fact that they are ASCN members controlled by BoB pilots This ruined the OP and made TS a right mess, now im not going to end the post with "YOU ***". But seriously this aint funny, lets play the game fair and then at the end of this war maybe we will have a slight bit of respect for each other Wow are you blind? check out this thread..... Team LULZ owns up to TS shenanigans.... This thread is now obsolete and pointless because the real perpetrators have revealed themselves... you should now head over there and get angry at them. !!! They were whispering in your ear.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Baun DING DING DING. This thread has a winner. Exactly the point. Good.. now head over to the thread where they have exposed themselves and tell them... Is everybody really slow today or what?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Maya Rkell Nez? Just because team dulz were doing it does not mean that others were not as well k.. so ASCN's TS is a free for all then? is that what you are saying? Does this happen everyday? and if so why the big fuss? Looks like the party is over at ASCN's TS.. they gonna put ShinRa out of business.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Aberash Explain this to me. Why did they choose me and Gold mamba to use as names on TS? Why out of the hundreds of people on TS was it us, when at the time we happened to be having an argument with BoB members in local. And the member "InsidermanALT" .. how do we know that is not a BoB member stirring ****. That topic Proves absolutely nothing. just as this one doesnt officialy prove anything either. OMG.. you can't be serious... K... those people in Team LULZ are real characters, and most of them are well known for being a little bit naughty. They are owning up to it, to complete the hillariousness of the whole story. What more do you want? K.. I know what you wanna hear, you want Blacklight to admit publicly that Shin Ra (part of Team LULZ) is his alt and that he orchestrated the whole thing from his work station at Micro$oft head office, in conjunction with Oveur and TomB. Cause thats about the only thing that will satisfy you people.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Aberash It may be very late and im very tired, but i am not saying these people (****ers btw) didnt do it. I mearly question there intention. WHY did they do it. Probably because they wagered that you might run to the forums with it and blame BoB.... and have a jolly good laugh at your expense. Some people are mean like that. You have to stop blaming BoB/CCP/auto-updates/node hacking/Father Christmas for everything under the sun.... its just not healthy. ASCN's problems can only be solved by ASCN, nobody else.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Aberash If you were in ASCN you would have a different attitude. like in OP's whoever starts calling primaries (no matter what ship there in) get primaried by BoB. continuoslly ** like this has happened so excuse us for getting a little bit ed off with the use of spies. and maybe you havnt been in a 300man Fleet fight were your screen freezes for 10mins and dont worry, ** like this will get worse and worse and alliances will be pointless in eve, everyone will just be in pirate corps roaming all day If this really is the case... then have your FC in a covert ops or a recon ship. If they can't see him they cant shoot him. The FC doesn't have to be the target caller and the target caller doesn't have to be the FC neither. Don't be predictable. As for the lag, its an even playing field.. or you think BoB don't suffer from lag?... oh wait you do.... There is always a workaround for every situation... and thats the truth.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 11:59:00 - [16] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 12:14:44 Originally by: pershphanie And yeah. I am armchair quarterbacking. And who the ** are you to tell me I can't? I see retired QB's doing it on sportscenter all the time. What I was saying comes from experiences I know first hand. What you are saying is just bull**. D-amn right persaphine you tell 'em... anybody that thinks that ASCN are doing k is having a laugh. With the amount of time ASCN have had to gear up for a war, what with the Southern Pact that went on for ages and then the very long lull in fighting pre-Kali, they should have known this day would come. The only threat ASCN had in nearly 2 years was against G/Iron and that was completely their own fault.. by NAPing and then dumping them when the rest of the south realised what they were playing at. No.. but instead of preparing for war and probing for internal weaknesses, ASCN sat on their big hairy behinds and carebeared all day and all night long. Now when the big bad wolf is blowing the house down, the little piglets cry. Well you can keep on crying ASCN, nobody feels sorry for ya. Every alliance has problems, every alliance goes through hard times, some break up due to internal issues.. but its the first time I've seen an alliance collectively whine so much and so hard when things are not going well... and the excuses OMG the excuses... we have heard everything there is to hear.. you can't make any more up, there is nobody left to blame.... There is a cycle of life in EVE as far as static territorial alliances are concerned. First you are the underdog, the unknown.. its a perilous time, you could get gobbled up by a bigger fish and mostly you are on the backfoot. Then you become established, but its still a dangerous time.. you can get gangbanged at any given moment, but to come of age you have to become the agressor and keep your pilots ready for conflict by waging war wherever it can be found. ASCN never came of age, when there was a lull in fighting you didn't search it out, you sat down and got fat and greedy...... much like a fattened turkey you are now gonna be on somebody's Christmas menu. Bon appetit, BoB. [edit:typos]
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 13:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord XSiV Well, I guess that is what happens when the wheels fall off on the bus.... Now that I am officially kos to several ASCN corps, I will start a new thread that will include some nice x-posting from alliance/corp forums that should hopefully explain some of the 'frustration' of an ASCN citizen....As for the kos statements, finally I get to shoot at something instead of having to follow incompetence.... Lol... I look forward to your postings with anticipation. Btw a word of caution... be extra extra careful with your wording and percieved intention. You have to walk a fine line to avoid incurring the wrath of the mods, politeness and restraint are the watchwords for the CAOD boards, within that context you can say a whole lot of stuff If it comes across as flamebait it will get locked quicker than you can say Jack Robinson. GL.

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